This week Ray and Jock are discussing career progression, the dirty secret of why people lie about washing their hands, and how to connect more deeply with people.

In this episode

0:00 Opening titles
0:14 Learning has a half-life
3:39 Product management is 90% people stuff
5:38 Why people lie about washing their hands
8:16 How to connect with people more deeply
12:32 Helping people to progress their careers
17:47 It sucks when they take you for granted
20:16 Coaching for leaders
23:18 Getting an honest answer
24:57 Closing credits

Mentioned in this episode

Progression –

Other books mentioned

Predictably Irrational – Dan Ariely –

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About The Pig Wrestlers

Ray Rafiq is the founder of increasingly larger businesses: Regent Street Cinema, Baker Street Bakery, Wigwamm, GetAgent, Unmortgage.

Jock Busuttil is the founder of Product People Limited, a freelance head of product, author and conference speaker, with over two decades’ experience helping technology companies. (

Recorded on 5 March 2021
Music: Crazy Glue (Instrumental Version) by Josh Woodward (CC-BY 4.0)